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		<title>By: dave m.</title>
		<link>http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2008/04/18/waiting-for-princess-charming/comment-page-1/#comment-4222</link>
		<dc:creator>dave m.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really hope you&#039;re not actually identifying with that article, since it assumes pretty much the worst of men under 30. for a start, Maxim culture -- vile as it can be -- is in some ways a welcome corrective to the outrageously classist idea that having the time and inclination to pursue Hef&#039;s &quot;jazz, Picasso, Nietzsche and sex&quot; forumlation is the best and only way to be a man. 

it also assumes that the most vulgar aspects of this strain of male culture are taken entirely seriously by the men consuming them. the behaviour attributed to Tucker Max is borderline sociopathic, and you&#039;d have to be something of a sociopath yourself to condone them. it&#039;s an outsized projection of a crude fantasy -- the boor who gets to indulge even his most forbidden urges. what&#039;s changed is that men aren&#039;t as embarrassed to put these urges in plain view, instead of stashing them away in private clubs, bars women weren&#039;t even allowed into, and lockerrooms.

what&#039;s really appalling is that hymowitz doesn&#039;t pause to consider that maybe a culture that expected men and women to couple up before they fully understood the necessity and gravity of that commitment might have something to do with the spike in the divorce rate over the last few decades. the child-man generation is by and large the generation born of the societally-legitimized divorce, and if there&#039;s a lesson any sane person would take from growing up among the remnants of a shattered marriage, it&#039;s that maybe you shouldn&#039;t enter into heavy commitments like marriage and children until you&#039;re good and ready. 

hymowitz appears to believe that men lack some sort of essential morality and have to be coerced into making meaningful contributions to their community and to society. that view is so lopsided it&#039;s frankly repulsive, and if this is the esteem in which the average modern 20-something female holds her future partner, no wonder men want as little as possible to do with them. pass me the bong and the controller, bro, and barricade the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really hope you&#8217;re not actually identifying with that article, since it assumes pretty much the worst of men under 30. for a start, Maxim culture &#8212; vile as it can be &#8212; is in some ways a welcome corrective to the outrageously classist idea that having the time and inclination to pursue Hef&#8217;s &#8220;jazz, Picasso, Nietzsche and sex&#8221; forumlation is the best and only way to be a man. </p>
<p>it also assumes that the most vulgar aspects of this strain of male culture are taken entirely seriously by the men consuming them. the behaviour attributed to Tucker Max is borderline sociopathic, and you&#8217;d have to be something of a sociopath yourself to condone them. it&#8217;s an outsized projection of a crude fantasy &#8212; the boor who gets to indulge even his most forbidden urges. what&#8217;s changed is that men aren&#8217;t as embarrassed to put these urges in plain view, instead of stashing them away in private clubs, bars women weren&#8217;t even allowed into, and lockerrooms.</p>
<p>what&#8217;s really appalling is that hymowitz doesn&#8217;t pause to consider that maybe a culture that expected men and women to couple up before they fully understood the necessity and gravity of that commitment might have something to do with the spike in the divorce rate over the last few decades. the child-man generation is by and large the generation born of the societally-legitimized divorce, and if there&#8217;s a lesson any sane person would take from growing up among the remnants of a shattered marriage, it&#8217;s that maybe you shouldn&#8217;t enter into heavy commitments like marriage and children until you&#8217;re good and ready. </p>
<p>hymowitz appears to believe that men lack some sort of essential morality and have to be coerced into making meaningful contributions to their community and to society. that view is so lopsided it&#8217;s frankly repulsive, and if this is the esteem in which the average modern 20-something female holds her future partner, no wonder men want as little as possible to do with them. pass me the bong and the controller, bro, and barricade the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have anything really clever or insightful to say, but I do have to comment on &quot;Knocked Up&quot; as a fairy tale for men.  I really like that concept; fairy tales for boys have consistently depicted boys as adventurers, while girls are hopelessly saddled with the &quot;waiting-to-be-rescued&quot; syndrome.  The only problem I did have with knocked up was the utterly one dimensional portrayal of the female characters. Sure, I know women like that, but then there are women like me, who are, you know ... normal and stuff, and probably have more in common with the guys in that movie (I&#039;m thinking of the poor beleaguered husband who plays fantasy baseball to escape the dull reality of his suburban life) than the women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have anything really clever or insightful to say, but I do have to comment on &#8220;Knocked Up&#8221; as a fairy tale for men.  I really like that concept; fairy tales for boys have consistently depicted boys as adventurers, while girls are hopelessly saddled with the &#8220;waiting-to-be-rescued&#8221; syndrome.  The only problem I did have with knocked up was the utterly one dimensional portrayal of the female characters. Sure, I know women like that, but then there are women like me, who are, you know &#8230; normal and stuff, and probably have more in common with the guys in that movie (I&#8217;m thinking of the poor beleaguered husband who plays fantasy baseball to escape the dull reality of his suburban life) than the women.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I don&#039;t think Edward Keenan suggested that this is a bad thing at all, acidbill. His point is simply that we often think of a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued by a big strong man. Interestingly, there are many modern day examples of clueless guys being taken in by strong women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I don&#8217;t think Edward Keenan suggested that this is a bad thing at all, acidbill. His point is simply that we often think of a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued by a big strong man. Interestingly, there are many modern day examples of clueless guys being taken in by strong women.</p>
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		<title>By: acidbill</title>
		<link>http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2008/04/18/waiting-for-princess-charming/comment-page-1/#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator>acidbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the idea that men being &quot;rescued&quot; by women is somehow a bad thing, or that the men are &quot;like, way stupid, dude,&quot; to be unrealistic. Men learning things, regardless of their source, is good. I think the fact that men who learn from women, or are positively influenced by relationships with women, are ridiculed, speaks volumes about our gender training. It&#039;s as if being ignorant is preferable to learning from someone who we&#039;re wrongly taught to believe is innately inferior (a woman.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the idea that men being &#8220;rescued&#8221; by women is somehow a bad thing, or that the men are &#8220;like, way stupid, dude,&#8221; to be unrealistic. Men learning things, regardless of their source, is good. I think the fact that men who learn from women, or are positively influenced by relationships with women, are ridiculed, speaks volumes about our gender training. It&#8217;s as if being ignorant is preferable to learning from someone who we&#8217;re wrongly taught to believe is innately inferior (a woman.)</p>
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