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	<title>Comments on: Revenge of the Nerds</title>
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	<description>Fearless. Thoughtful. Witty. Canadian. And Opinionated.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: paul b</title>
		<link>http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2008/04/29/revenge-of-the-nerds/#comment-5060</link>
		<dc:creator>paul b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i've been reading so many of your posts i just had to write in.
sometimes i wonder if gender norms are pasted, layered, and thrown on top of human behaviours for our own purposes.
i think about gender issues a lot and as i build the list of "alternative" masculine performances (big fan of the ones above by the way) i'm wary of setting myself up for just another neat category to lean on.  
how about confident vulnerability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve been reading so many of your posts i just had to write in.<br />
sometimes i wonder if gender norms are pasted, layered, and thrown on top of human behaviours for our own purposes.<br />
i think about gender issues a lot and as i build the list of &#8220;alternative&#8221; masculine performances (big fan of the ones above by the way) i&#8217;m wary of setting myself up for just another neat category to lean on.<br />
how about confident vulnerability?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2008/04/29/revenge-of-the-nerds/#comment-4466</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting observation:

"It’s the lack of anyone, anywhere, under 40 who can project confidence (or competence) at all that shows how far the pendulum has really swung. A reflection, I think, of the male culture at large."

While I don't completely agree, I do to an extent.  It does seem that self-deprecation, awkwardness and anxiety are celebrated to the extent that assuredness is too often interpreted as arrogance.  Yet, in my experience, many women who are initially attracted to the vulnerable charm of the Cusack/Cera prototype end up desiring the same confidence and competence that is the antithesis of those characters.  Unfortunately, it's not easy to exhibit all of those qualities simultaneously.  If you've got the awkwardness to begin with, the assuredness doesn't necessarily follow, or maybe it isn't as believable.  On the other hand, if you've got the confidence and assuredness to begin with, you're often deemed unapproachable or emotionally unavailable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting observation:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s the lack of anyone, anywhere, under 40 who can project confidence (or competence) at all that shows how far the pendulum has really swung. A reflection, I think, of the male culture at large.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t completely agree, I do to an extent.  It does seem that self-deprecation, awkwardness and anxiety are celebrated to the extent that assuredness is too often interpreted as arrogance.  Yet, in my experience, many women who are initially attracted to the vulnerable charm of the Cusack/Cera prototype end up desiring the same confidence and competence that is the antithesis of those characters.  Unfortunately, it&#8217;s not easy to exhibit all of those qualities simultaneously.  If you&#8217;ve got the awkwardness to begin with, the assuredness doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow, or maybe it isn&#8217;t as believable.  On the other hand, if you&#8217;ve got the confidence and assuredness to begin with, you&#8217;re often deemed unapproachable or emotionally unavailable.</p>
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		<title>By: alex redgrave</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex redgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as Jemaine Clement is the movement's pied piper, I'm all for it. (The man makes claymation when not composing "Business Time" and other ditties for Flight of the Conchords. What's not to love?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as Jemaine Clement is the movement&#8217;s pied piper, I&#8217;m all for it. (The man makes claymation when not composing &#8220;Business Time&#8221; and other ditties for Flight of the Conchords. What&#8217;s not to love?)</p>
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		<title>By: Chantelle Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chantelle Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Cera appeals too because I know him. I mean, in the Brampton, Ontario sense. His cadence and exxxtreme Arid Extra Dry wit reminds me of the perfect pit party/hitchiking/classroom esoteric moments shared with close friends.

The new endearing nerd outcasts will be, horror of all horrors: HOMELY AVERAGE GIRLS.(Note: NOT fake homely girls with glasses and hair in their face but REAL thin-lipped, close-eyed, size 12 girls).

Y'all heard it here first. Please believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Cera appeals too because I know him. I mean, in the Brampton, Ontario sense. His cadence and exxxtreme Arid Extra Dry wit reminds me of the perfect pit party/hitchiking/classroom esoteric moments shared with close friends.</p>
<p>The new endearing nerd outcasts will be, horror of all horrors: HOMELY AVERAGE GIRLS.(Note: NOT fake homely girls with glasses and hair in their face but REAL thin-lipped, close-eyed, size 12 girls).</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all heard it here first. Please believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Keenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I realize your all bunged up about you mother picking out your clothes, but face it -- you're a neo-maxi zoom dweebie..." Judd Nelson was making us all wish we were poor badasses with abusinve parents for a few years there in high school. My daddy never gave me no pack of smokes for Christmas, a source of irritation to me for a couple years there.

Now Lloyd -- I don't think I ever perceived Lloyd as any kind of outsider when I was in high school (though if I saw Say Anything again, I'm sure it's a key part of the plot I just ignored. Likewise in Heathers: it never occurred to me that Christian Slater was actually supposed to be uncool, I mean I understood the plot, I just thought it was a given that he was far cooler than any of the "popular kids" in the movie, and certainly would have been more popular than them if they'd all gone to my school.) We just thought Lloyd Dobler was pretty much how we evisioned our coolest selves being.

But yeah, Cera kind of finds the sweet spot between Anthony Michael Hall and John Cusack, I think, but I buy his geek a bit more. There's very little Skippy Handleman hamming. AMH was good, but there was always just a hint of the popular kid imitating a nerd in him -- just a hint mind you, but still. Or did I imagine that into his earlier work after I saw Johnny Be Good?

My only worry is that now the nerds have taken over, the new endearing nerds must be who: jocks? rich preppies? You can't be an outcast if your geek chic is the hottest thing in school, can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I realize your all bunged up about you mother picking out your clothes, but face it &#8212; you&#8217;re a neo-maxi zoom dweebie&#8230;&#8221; Judd Nelson was making us all wish we were poor badasses with abusinve parents for a few years there in high school. My daddy never gave me no pack of smokes for Christmas, a source of irritation to me for a couple years there.</p>
<p>Now Lloyd &#8212; I don&#8217;t think I ever perceived Lloyd as any kind of outsider when I was in high school (though if I saw Say Anything again, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a key part of the plot I just ignored. Likewise in Heathers: it never occurred to me that Christian Slater was actually supposed to be uncool, I mean I understood the plot, I just thought it was a given that he was far cooler than any of the &#8220;popular kids&#8221; in the movie, and certainly would have been more popular than them if they&#8217;d all gone to my school.) We just thought Lloyd Dobler was pretty much how we evisioned our coolest selves being.</p>
<p>But yeah, Cera kind of finds the sweet spot between Anthony Michael Hall and John Cusack, I think, but I buy his geek a bit more. There&#8217;s very little Skippy Handleman hamming. AMH was good, but there was always just a hint of the popular kid imitating a nerd in him &#8212; just a hint mind you, but still. Or did I imagine that into his earlier work after I saw Johnny Be Good?</p>
<p>My only worry is that now the nerds have taken over, the new endearing nerds must be who: jocks? rich preppies? You can&#8217;t be an outcast if your geek chic is the hottest thing in school, can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Chantelle Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chantelle Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judd Nelson captured my heart in The Breakfast Club when he re-enacted
his lovely home life. But then, so did Lloyd Dobbler (John Cusack) in Say 
Anything. 

Cera is equally captivating but I think he owes a great deal to Lloyd, Anthony
Michael Hall (Sixteen Candles, Weird Science) and Patrick Dempsey in Can't Buy
Me Love to name a few of my favourties. Those awkward charmers had no masculinity but all the geek
that made them real and hot to me. 

We've been easing over to the nerd-side for decades, and thankfully, 
we've now arrived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judd Nelson captured my heart in The Breakfast Club when he re-enacted<br />
his lovely home life. But then, so did Lloyd Dobbler (John Cusack) in Say<br />
Anything. </p>
<p>Cera is equally captivating but I think he owes a great deal to Lloyd, Anthony<br />
Michael Hall (Sixteen Candles, Weird Science) and Patrick Dempsey in Can&#8217;t Buy<br />
Me Love to name a few of my favourties. Those awkward charmers had no masculinity but all the geek<br />
that made them real and hot to me. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been easing over to the nerd-side for decades, and thankfully,<br />
we&#8217;ve now arrived.</p>
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